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Buy High Cry Low's avatar

I agree with you on that volatility is not risk and we should focus on downside risk. But volatility as a risk metric can make sense in the general context of an entire portfolio. Because while the risk-reward of an investment can be attractive, stock price returns will fluctuate more strongly than fundamentals. This gives an opportunity to investors to double down on their best ideas when they go for sale, but you cannot add more if you are already highly concentrated on a couple of ideas. Then it becomes a discussion on how to maximize geometrical returns and cost of time. I do not know which ideas will play out faster.

Take Burford Capital as an example. I know that for some reason you do not like this company, but let me explain my thought process. I made a pre-decision that if the YPF case failed, I would buy more. Now the stock went down 47% on one day on the news (even though it has not completely failed, but there will be a significant write off). I did not think it would go down this much, maybe 20-30%, but for me it is great news because I have quadrupled my position thereafter. From a risk based perspective, the YPF case is warping the perception of the company. Share price risk was high, and this was evidenced by this correction. But fundamentally, the risk has never been lower. Management aims to double the size of the portfolio by 2030. Even if the company goes for liquidation, you can buy more than 5bn worth of expected future cash flows for about 1bn in market cap plus debt. And we don’t event need to look too far into the future as we can see those cash flows today. And this considers that the YPF case is worth 0. I am quite happy to arbitrage this risk however long it takes. Now Mr Market sees more risk in Burford than in Tesla at 300 PE ratio with stagnant sales.

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After evaluating a companies performance, and particularly that of management for things like by reading the past ten years financial statements, increase of shareholder equity, how cash flow is allocated, how much do I trust the integrity of management, I then do risk analysis. For me, risk analysis has nothing to do with mathematical ratios. It is simply asking the question "what can go wrong". SERIOUSLY asking that question requires me to exhaustively explore all the ways the argument for investing in a company can be wrong.

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